E. Melanogenys Ndole Info Needed

[Holey_Rock_of_Texas]

i have having trouble finding a pic or any info and E. Melanogenys Ndole. i am considering getting some but i want to know what i am getting into before hand. any help would be great.

[khrister]

One thing I know is...Enantiopus Sp. Kilesa are prettier:hehe:

Melanogenys:

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1966

Sp. Kilesa:

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1961

[dr_ali86]

Wish I could help, I've already told you all I know lol ;)

[kewlkatdady]

kelisa are the shiznet...

[Holey_Rock_of_Texas]

One thing I know is...Enantiopus Sp. Kilesa are prettier:hehe:

Melanogenys:

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1966

Sp. Kilesa:

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1961

is the first link the E. Melanogenys Ndole becuase i like those and the kilesa.

[khrister]

Are you buying from Chip? he does not take pics lolroflmao

[Holey_Rock_of_Texas]

Are you buying from Chip? he does not take pics lolroflmao

yeah he said he has no pic. lol. so without a pic i will not buy!!!

[khrister]

yeah he said he has no pic. lol. so without a pic i will not buy!!!


Good luck with that...he once told me "he is in the fish selling business not picture taking" lolroflmao

[Holey_Rock_of_Texas]

http://www.tomstanganyikans.com/ here is a pic of them. i think they look great. i wish i would have got some.

[khrister]

Actually Xenos and Enantiopus are same species...probably. I think some people starts renaming Enantiopus as xenotilapia.

[Rift2Reef]

Actually Xenos and Enantiopus are same species...probably. I think some people starts renaming Enantiopus as xenotilapia.

Jojo I think you are wrong on that one. Having had most of the Xenos on the market and a few different Enantiopus the physical characteristics are vastyl different and based on behavior I doubt they are the same Genus. Enantopius get alot bigger than Xenos. They have very different behavior as well. It's really no different than Cyanthopharynx and Opthalmotilapia. Very similar looking but the differences are noticeable the closer you look.

Jojo stop telling people about Kilesa no one can get any they are rarely available! :brandy:

Chip won't take pictures and won't do much else in the way of customer service for that matter. I stopped dealing with him 5 years ago.

[khrister]

Jojo I think you are wrong on that one. Having had most of the Xenos on the market and a few different Enantiopus the physical characteristics are vastyl different and based on behavior I doubt they are the same Genus. Enantopius get alot bigger than Xenos. They have very different behavior as well. It's really no different than Cyanthopharynx and Opthalmotilapia. Very similar looking but the differences are noticeable the closer you look.

Jojo stop telling people about Kilesa no one can get any they are rarely available! :brandy:

Chip won't take pictures and won't do much else in the way of customer service for that matter. I stopped dealing with him 5 years ago.

Wanna bet I can get them:hehe:

In his revision of Xenotilapia Tetsumi Takahashi showed via morphological analyses, that the criteria which the separation of the three genera Enantiopus, Asprotilapia and Microdontochromis was based upon overlapped with Xenotilapia, and that the latter would not be a monophyletic group if these three genera were not included again. The expanded concept of Xenotilapia sensu Takahashi is thus "characterized by having a unique infraorbital condition: four infraorbitals, in which the anteriormost bone bears four or five sensory pores and does not overlap the elongated second bone. The only exception found among the expanded Xenotilapia was the occurrence of six sensory pores on in one specimen of X. leptura" (Takahashi 2003).

I guess this is what I am trying to say. Once upon a time, in a far away kingdom, people like me thought they are all the same until Dane says they are not. I mean Takahashi :hehe:

[Rift2Reef]

Wanna bet I can get them:hehe:



I guess this is what I am trying to say. Once upon a time, in a far away kingdom, people like me thought they are all the same until Dane says they are not. I mean Takahashi :hehe:


JoJo when I have the free time to find the literature that contradicts that I am going to post it. Enantiopus at one time were considered Xenotilapia and then it was changed. I spoke with Ad Konings at length about this in September and he agrees that they are correctly classified at the moment.

Jojo you buy fish from the same people I do. I get a ton of lists from guys that only sell to me in Texas and they haven't been on their lists in a while. No one is fishing in that area right now. There are a few guys breeding them Tom Leontis (Tom's Tanganyikans) should have some but they aren't readily available on a wholesale level.

[kewlkatdady]

Tom will have some F1 juvies soon...

Enan and Xenos look different to me...

but I'll let yall battle this one out.

I will have Kilesa by the end of June.

[Rift2Reef]

Tom will have some F1 juvies soon...

Enan and Xenos look different to me...

but I'll let yall battle this one out.

I will have Kilesa by the end of June.

It's not a battle because I doubt either of us care either way!

Jerod keep me posted if I see any I will be sure to let you know.

Your search for featherfins has re energized me and when we buy our house in December I will be putting a 10' tanganyikan tank in it with those guys in mind!

[kewlkatdady]

hopefully Ill have some fry for you by then....

this is what I'm getting...
http://cichlidforum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1926

plus some kilesa...

[Rift2Reef]

Who'd you end up finding them through?

[kewlkatdady]

I found some on aquabid and then they guy I'm going in on a group found them from bluechip.

[greeneyed]

bluechip?

[Holey_Rock_of_Texas]

bluechip

[kewlkatdady]

bluechip...

[greeneyed]

Is that with the blue corn?

[rolloffhill]

http://qualteam.tripod.com/qualteam/ist2_2679140_blue_chip_company.jpg

[kewlkatdady]

http://www.bluechipaquatics.com/

[greeneyed]

http://www.dietsinreview.com/diet_column/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/garden-of-eatin-blue-corn-tortilla-chips.jpg

[khrister]

It's not a battle because I doubt either of us care either way!

Jerod keep me posted if I see any I will be sure to let you know.

Your search for featherfins has re energized me and when we buy our house in December I will be putting a 10' tanganyikan tank in it with those guys in mind!


:hehe::hehe::hehe:Exactly...you did not bet:tease: I am getting F1 from a friend from the bay area who is breeding them. I have ran out of patience waiting for Wild caught. Russ Utslers got me WC in Oct. of 2005. They did not last a month in my tank:mad:

khrister added 3 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

JoJo when I have the free time to find the literature that contradicts that I am going to post it. Enantiopus at one time were considered Xenotilapia and then it was changed. I spoke with Ad Konings at length about this in September and he agrees that they are correctly classified at the moment.

Jojo you buy fish from the same people I do. I get a ton of lists from guys that only sell to me in Texas and they haven't been on their lists in a while. No one is fishing in that area right now. There are a few guys breeding them Tom Leontis (Tom's Tanganyikans) should have some but they aren't readily available on a wholesale level.


Lol! Dane... I agree with yah...just playing DA here. They are long time ago classified as one until they were separated as different species. Like the Frontosa Gibberosa classification. Some people really has got time in their hands to count scales.

I am getting my friend who imports fish directly from Africa to get me WC but he does not have 'em in their list.

khrister added 5 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...

hopefully Ill have some fry for you by then....

this is what I'm getting...
http://cichlidforum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1926

plus some kilesa...


Cool Jerod! I can't blame you if you want to convert you tank to a mixed tanganyikan tank. I will one of these days do the same...Some Enantiopus, Leleupi, brevis, some comps cyphs and featherfins. That would be my minimum when the day comes.