angelfish

[fishyjoe24]

is it true that angel fish will fight with one and another at a certin age.
i just bought 11 med. angelfish from petco(same tank) and they are swimming together so it looks like everything is ok, i just hear they fight at a certin age and size. im thinking about going back in a couple of days and buying the small ones would that be ok or a boo-boo. also dones any one know of angel fish sites or any books.

[ElijahTurtle]

Typically most fighting occurs when they have reached sexual maturity & are attempting to pair off or stake claim to prime breeding grounds. Like with most fish it will calm down when pairs are formed & a pecking order is established.
The main thing is to give them enough room & relief areas to allow the losers to hide out till things calm down. In your 240 you should have plenty of space for them to retreat. Just make sure they've got some sort of plants either real or fake to retreat too.
With 11 angels you will probably get at least 2 pairs out of them. maybe 3 if your lucky.
Feed them well, keep the water clean & around 80F & they'll grow quickly.
I feed mine a combination of flake food, frozen bloodworms & beefheart and occassionally frozen brine shrimp. I figure they get a wider variety of nutrients this way.

[fishyjoe24]

thanks for the info very helpful.

[ElijahTurtle]

Hey Joey Get some pictures if you can! I'd love to see pics of your new "aquatic buddies"

[lellison]

yea watch out when they get breeding age, that is when they will kick butt and take names. I love angels though, beautiful and interesting fish to watch. Your tank is large, which will help a lot, just as Amon said make sure there are plenty of plants. And as for getting 2 or three pairs out of 11 angels...maybe I was lucky but I got 2 pairs out of only 5 angels...:ohyes:

[fishyjoe24]

thanks, i now have 21. i love angel fish now. i put plent of driftwood and plants in there i'll get some picture taken asap. also what can angels eat besides flake flood.

[lellison]

awesome, I would love to see the pics and look at your beauties. As far as angels go, I only have on pair anymore. A gold marble male and german blue blusher female. I would love to see what you have!

[jaglover]

Any pics of your Blue Blusher? I have 3 and they're looking like they're becoming iridescent as they get bigger, and I'm curious as to what they'll look like fully grown.

Also, what kind of fry do gold marbles + blue blushers have? I currently have both of those in my tank (with some gold pearlscales), and I'm wondering what pairing to hope for!

[ElijahTurtle]

The blushing trait is a recessed one so it's likely that the majority of the fry would loose that with the PS cross. But would likely result with some that look similar to Sunset Blushers.
With the GM cross it might look similar to this GM/Blushing:
http://waynesworldangelfish.com/KOI1.jpg

Those are just a wild guesses though.

[lellison]

This is the female that I have now. Defending their chosen spawning spot in this pic. She is gorgeous.

[lellison]

This is a spawning pair that I had also. No longer have these unfortunatley. Female on right showing those pretty rosy cheeks. The male you can't see so well, but he is the same handsome guy that is on my avatar. Hope that helps, they are beautiful fish, def. my favorite strain of angel. Compared to my other angels, they grew fairly slow, not sure if this is the norm. Great fish all around though!

[fishyjoe24]

looks like i had males and females.

[jaglover]

Actually, it looks like I might have a blue blusher pair... At least, there are two of them that seem to hang out together a lot. Maybe what I thought were Oto eggs a month or so ago were actually angel eggs. I've been looking for a good pic online, but no luck yet. Small clear yellow eggs laid in rows on an amazon sword leaf.

[lellison]

could be. They like to spawn on verticle leaves or slates, wood, glass. Whatever they can find that they like. They will clean the site and guard it. If the eggs were theirs, they should have been close by, fanning the eggs with their fins. Congrats if you have a pair. If they are of breeding age and are hanging out together, I would say that is a pretty good sign. :)

[ElijahTurtle]

Small clear yellow eggs laid in rows on an amazon sword leaf.
Sounds like Angel eggs to me.
Try these pics (http://home.earthlink.net/~photofish/EggsAndWigglers.html)

[fishyjoe24]

boo hoo im down to only 3 angels now. now im starting to rething what i want in the tank.

[Trayl]

You're waiting too long to change the water. You discovered they were in a toxic environment and didn't immediately take steps to correct the problem. You don't wait a day or two days or however long is convenient for you to change the water and bring the poison levels down, you do it immediately. By discovering the water was poisonous and leaving the fish in it without actively taking steps to correct the problem, you effectively murdered those fish. If you don't do something soon, the rest of your fish are going to start dying as well. The longer they are in that toxic environment, the less chance any of them will survive.

[ElijahTurtle]

Joey, Have you done a water change yet?

[Trayl]

http://www.dfwfishbox.com/showthread.php?t=605&page=2

There's the reason for the rather harsh response to him. Down to 3 Angels and he's gonna do the water change tomorrow. I would have taken the fish if he didn't want them. :(

[lellison]

oh, dang.

[AndrewH]

That's definitely a bummer. Some lessons are harder to learn than others. I know it was/is like that for me.

Maybe he'll learn how to did it right, after this example of wrong like I did.

[Trayl]

Joey, I know in the other thread I was a bit harsh. I also know you have some issues, but I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are an adult and for the most part can deal with things in an adult manner, although sometimes overly emotional, which is a problem we share.

I genuinely wanted to help you save your fish. Any life lost is a sad thing and the loss of a life that could be prevented is tragic. That is why I got so upset. If, for example, this had been a dog lovers forum instead of fish and you had knowingly left puppies in a toxic environment that was slowly killing them, it would have been the obligation of every forum member to report you to the SPCA and you could have faced criminal charges. Because fish aren't considered as important by legal standards, all any of us can do is tell you how to remedy the situation and hope you do not repeat the same scenario.

When you come to the forum asking for advice on how to save your dying fish, do it as soon as possible, not a few days later. Respect the fragile lives you have taken under your care. Those creatures depend on you for everything and when you fail them in such a manner as you did those Angels, you are breaking the sacred trust of owner and pet. Mourn the loss of those lives and understand what you did wrong so that you will never take innocent lives through similar inaction ever again.

[bra8ndy8]

good way to put it trayl

[fishyjoe24]

i know i know what i did was bad,and i faced the conaqutces.i couldn't find the siphon hose, i finely found it.. im doing it now that i finely found the sipon, i tested the water with my test strips and the water was fine before i put the angels in then they started dying. petco even said they where having a problem with there angels so i could of got a bad batch of angel fish. should i get the ammonia-carb out and just use carbon and biomax. i just tested the water and it's fine what the hell could be going on?

[Trayl]

Wait a sec. You haven't changed the water out and the ammonia levels are fine now?

[fatfutures]

Petco and Petsmart are NOTORIOUS for having CRAPPY angels. I've had employees tell that they have a hard time getting them in stock and when they do many of them die before they can sell them.

[arnold]

errr, refer to other post about buying angels at lfs, I buy fish at lfs now and then, if any of the tanks don't look right no buy from me. Now I have got a few nice fish from R to R, Dane takes good care of his tanks.
Fish are animal husbandry, sometimes they die, it happens, don't let it ruin your outlook, don't go out n hug a tree or save the world, just learn like we all do and have.
LFS have lots of issues to deal with, fish come in by air and sometimes they have been in transit for days, and "professional" fish shippers-wholesalers by in large are packing all the fish they think might make it in one bag n sending em off, then the LFS has to deal with sick fish and either pass that problem on to customers or tie up space n time w qt and treatment, it aint easy keeping aquatics in a retail store, you should see morgue duty in the am before the stores open. There are some very fine angel breeders on aquabid, excellent stock and service, if I were looking for angels I know I would shop there with confidence, (that dont mean buy from just anybody on ab)

[AndrewH]

I don't know. That is weird. Now it sounds like bad fish.

[bra8ndy8]

I bought 4 Angels from Petco....and they all passed! I NEVER buy Angels from them again!

[lellison]

yea I don't like buying fish from Petco, never had much luck. As far as not being able to find the siphon hose...tea pitchers man, clean buckets. You do what you have to.

[xtc]

Joey, I know in the other thread I was a bit harsh. I also know you have some issues, but I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are an adult and for the most part can deal with things in an adult manner, although sometimes overly emotional, which is a problem we share.

I genuinely wanted to help you save your fish. Any life lost is a sad thing and the loss of a life that could be prevented is tragic. That is why I got so upset. If, for example, this had been a dog lovers forum instead of fish and you had knowingly left puppies in a toxic environment that was slowly killing them, it would have been the obligation of every forum member to report you to the SPCA and you could have faced criminal charges. Because fish aren't considered as important by legal standards, all any of us can do is tell you how to remedy the situation and hope you do not repeat the same scenario.

When you come to the forum asking for advice on how to save your dying fish, do it as soon as possible, not a few days later. Respect the fragile lives you have taken under your care. Those creatures depend on you for everything and when you fail them in such a manner as you did those Angels, you are breaking the sacred trust of owner and pet. Mourn the loss of those lives and understand what you did wrong so that you will never take innocent lives through similar inaction ever again.

Well said- glad the tone changed a bit. I understand your frustration in watching someone "do it wrong"- but thanks for toning it down. Specially since it sounds like lame fish rather than a lame fish keeper. I doubt we'll ever know what was really wrong.

I hate test strips and have always been told to avoid them- but since I'm color deficient- I gotta rely on my wife to test the water for me. She bitches about it every time like it's a real whip to look at the tube and the color chart. [I digress]

Hey Joey, that tank for sale yet? :hehe:

[rolloffhill]

Well said- glad the tone changed a bit. I understand your frustration in watching someone "do it wrong"- but thanks for toning it down. Specially since it sounds like lame fish rather than a lame fish keeper. I doubt we'll ever know what was really wrong.

I hate test strips and have always been told to avoid them- but since I'm color deficient- I gotta rely on my wife to test the water for me. She bitches about it every time like it's a real whip to look at the tube and the color chart. [I digress]

Hey Joey, that tank for sale yet? :hehe:


Oh man that is the perfect excuse for getting her to do the testing for ya..:cool:

[xtc]

yea- I know. :hehe:

My "deficiency" in one area made me stronger in another- "manipulation". :D

:flipa:

[lellison]

haha, whats up with using women like that. You should be like us women who NEVER use our men...

[fishyjoe24]

Wait a sec. You haven't changed the water out and the ammonia levels are fine now?


yep that would be correct.:confuzeld:

[fishyjoe24]

nope chris the tanks not for sale if your looking for a 240 theres one on craigslist.org 250 bucks i bet it leaks.

[rolloffhill]

haha, whats up with using women like that. You should be like us women who NEVER use our men...


:eek: I need to look for a pinoccio smilie...but I guess this one will work for now...:blahblah::)

[lellison]

lmao :rofl::D

[fishyjoe24]

why are you laughing i then we all ready has a pinoccio.