help identify fish

[donkey]

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Can anyone tell me what kind of fish this one is.I know the white one is a red devil and the other one is similar to a red terror but much different.Body is shaped like a red devil.Body color is like a leparinus with stripes but the lower face and throat is dark orange.These two keep having babys.There are hundreds in this picture but hard to see.I kept some and they are about 2-3 inches now but have not colored yet.I bought this guy at the tca auction but forgot the name and can't find it on google or anywhere.

[masroberts9]

well I can't tell you. Sorry. amazing that they are breeding.

[dannyandsarah]

The stripped one is most likely a barred midas or it could possibly be a mayan which are commonly sold under the name "red terror". Both are beautiful fish, but it's hard to tell for sure with one picture. For a more accurate guess I would try taking a few more pics and posting them on a site like cichlidmaddness.com. There's tons of cichlid experts on that site that are pretty good at naming species.

[misplacedsooner]

chancho, sagggite, barred midas and a few others in the amphilophus group have the bars. a good shot of the tail would help here.
mike

[donkey]

Well I know its not a red terror because i have had a couple of them and they are similar but not even close.The red terrors that I have seen have semi faded looking stripes and this guy is very bright.Also the neck on him is very red-orange and I have not seen that on a terror either.I took several pictures but none came out all that well.Maybe I will try again without the flash.I bought him at the tca auction last year from the tall skinny black guy that I think lives in Houston if that helps, maybe someone know shim and his fish.

[greeneyed]

Where's fishman76092 when you need him?

[fishman76092]

As stated earlier, it is certainly a red devil/citrilnellus/chancho, etc variation and not exCichlasoma festae/urophthalmus (red terror). Given that you probably didnt pay a whole lot for these (Im going out on a limb here..since you didnt know what they were), they are probably the typical Amphilophus labiatus x citrinellus hybrid that is sold everywhere as red devil or midas cichlid. You should get some interesting fry as they mature with a barred and white/orange cross. Good luck-I just purchased a male creamsicle colored 'red devil' a few weeks ago....the one I had that was white and orange turned all white~so I got rid of him...

[bra8ndy8]

THERE HE IS!!!!! And the answer is...........whatever he said!

[masroberts9]

I take it that Fishman 76092 is the resident rare fish guy.

[ElijahTurtle]

I take it that Fishman 76092 is the resident rare fish guy.
Well he just knows fish...period. He's kept tons of hard to find stuff, & likes pure strain fish, so he can always spot hybrids when he sees them

[kSpieler]

Heh...where were you Mr.Fishman,sir when I was trying to figure out MY mystery fish????:hehe:

You know you sooo rule, right? :D

[xtc]

IIRC- he's got a doctorate in ichthyology.

what I wanna know is how the hell did he know someone mentioned his name and zero in so quickly. :hehe: Candyman, candyman...

BTW- he's also got a well documented history of giving away some top notch stuff. So- keep your eyes out for his posts and don't expect him to deliver or take pics- just trust it.

[ElijahTurtle]

IIRC- he's got a doctorate in ichthyology.


Didn't know that...That's cool

[misplacedsooner]

good call grey, i always hesitate to suggest someones fish is a hybrid even if i suspect it may be.
mike

[donkey]

I am not all that sure what fishman said but I did pay a good amount considering it was an auction.I got a male and female but have kept them seperate as I am trying not to have babies.It actually had a name but it was not an easy catchy name for me to remember so I assume it is not a cross.

[fishman76092]

I am not all that sure what fishman said but I did pay a good amount considering it was an auction.I got a male and female but have kept them seperate as I am trying not to have babies.It actually had a name but it was not an easy catchy name for me to remember so I assume it is not a cross.

With the Amphilophus genus, many times people buy fish and have no idea that are not the true strain. Take the standard 'red devil' or 'midas' cichlid... Until 2000/2001, there had been no new blood imported in years. Most of these fish were being bred in Florida and Far East in burial vats and ponds. When comparing a store bought red devil with a wild one (Jeff Rapps got his first Lago Nicaragua shipment in 2000/2001) there are many details that you would notice. Body shape, coloration, and what their species name denotes-their lips were very different than the red devils sold in stores. If you want a true strain midas or red devil, you must buy from a breeder or a store that buys from a breeder rather than a massive wholesaler (typically).

Im not banging on your fish whatsoever. They are very nice-my white/orange red devil is not pure as it was purchased at petsmart. Where did you buy your fish from and who did you purchase them from (in the auction). Does the name 'barred midas', xilaoensis, sagittae, red devil, labiatus, chancho, amarillo ring any bells? Those are the names of fish that look like your fish that are currently available. As for price-a true strain midas or red devil from an importer would run you $75+ at that size typically. The big one actually looks like a pure strain of Amph. citrinellus "Midas" due to the shape of the body. The white one does not look pure-and because it is white, it eliminates a couple of species (chancho and amarillo are two). The shape is a little too tall for A. labiatus and too thin for A. citrinellus. I would be very surpised if it was A. sagittae or xilaoensis as they are very rare in the hobby. There are a few local places that you could get real midas-Dan Sharifi in Keller breeds them and sold some to Keller Farms. Just some more info to solve their identity.

fishman76092 added 8 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

Didn't know that...That's cool

Not really....just worked in the industry for some time-mostly in high school and college. Partly as a fish medicator for a couple of standard wholesalers. Mostly as a specialty fish salesman/breeder at the largest tank only breeder west of the Mississippi. The owner is a high profile aquarium guy who does talks at the ACA, etc. I was a sponge around him and we always had cool people coming by to visit-Ad Konings, Mark Smith, Rusty Wessel to name a few. We dealt mostly in the odd and unusual and only the true species-never any suspected hybrid. We only dealt with hobbyist-type stores around the world along wth some big hobbyists in the states. I learned a ton and was am still very passionate about the hobby. I currently run the internet sales for Aplaceforpetsorg on Aquabid. A friend of mine owns this store in Seattle-I volunteer to help him sell the odd stuff that he cant sell locally.

fishman76092 added 10 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...

IIRC- he's got a doctorate in ichthyology.

what I wanna know is how the hell did he know someone mentioned his name and zero in so quickly. :hehe: Candyman, candyman...

BTW- he's also got a well documented history of giving away some top notch stuff. So- keep your eyes out for his posts and don't expect him to deliver or take pics- just trust it.


I hadn't checked the site in awhile and knew that I was going to catch grief for answering right after the callout...


fishman76092 added 11 Minutes and 20 Seconds later...

I take it that Fishman 76092 is the resident rare fish guy.

I try...

[donkey]

Thanks for the info fishman.I know he did not say a common name like red devil ,midas,amarillo.I would have remembered something like that.It was more like one of those names that sound chinese.Maybe I will see the guy at the auction this month if I get to go and hopefully he will remember the fish.I just thought somebody might recognize it and know exactly what it was.I had searched the internet and never found anything even close.As long as your almost an expert I have another question for you.I had a beautiful red devil male that was mixed white and orange about 50/50 with huge hump.He dies when I was out of town.Anyway he produced babies with the white red devil in the picture.They are about 4 inches long now and (of course there was hundreds)there are about 25 left but everyone of them is yellowish orange(solid).Why are there no mixed colors?I was hoping to get some looking like the male as these are rare and hard to find and definetly expensive.