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flamenco-t
06-20-2011, 11:18 AM
Disclaimer: This is strictly based on my experience only, I have shipped hundreds of fish with great sucess. Most of the fish that I shipped are larger fish, so it should work well with smaller fish as well.

Also, I only ship AIR CARGO, same day arrival, I have done UPS and Fedex overnight as well and this method works for both.

Before shipping:

1. Starve the fish 3-4 days prior to shipping days. This will reduce the amount of waste that the fish will produce while being in a bag during shipping.

On the day of the shipping:

-Get yourself a nice and sturdy cardboard box. I usually ship with "florida" box which is the standard wholesaler box (a styro box inside of a cardboard box), but any box with styrofoam lining will work.

You can also purchase Styrofoam sheets from home depot and cut to fit the inside of a regular brown cardboard box.

To determine the size, I used the rule of thumb of 1.5 X the longest length of the fish. If your fish is 10", try to give him about 15" of length on the box. This obviously doesn't apply to rays or other "flat fish"

1. Flip the box over and tape the bottom flap of the box, you want to do this NOW instead of later once the fish is bagged inside the box.
I always use 3 tapes along the seam, one on each side and one in the middle. This will reduce the possibility of the box "breaking apart"

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If you look at the picture above, anywhere you see a line is where you need to put a tape on the box.

2. Get 3-4 layers of plastic bags to fit the dimension of your styro box, I prefer 3-4 mil or thicker. The square based bottom bag works well..
http://www.uline.com/BL_157/3-Mil-Gusseted-Poly-Bags

3. Lay out the bags inside the styro box, fill it with water. I usually fill the bag with 1/3 of water. As long as the entire height of the fish plus a few inches is covered in water, you're good. Fish needs oxygen before water BUT having plenty of water will help the fish from fouling the water too quickly.

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4. Place the fish inside the bag, I am a big fan of Jungle Bag Buddies. It's essentially an O2 tablet and a fish calmer. I'd put a tablet in the water after I put the fish in the bag.

5. To close the bag, grab each ends and rapidly join them together and tie them with rubber band. I never fill the air space with airborne oxygen. IME, in the event of a puncture the air will push the water OUT of the hole so fast, your fish will suffocate in a short amount of time. Your water should contain dissolved oxygen that the fish needs. If you have very litle air inside the bag, in the event of a puncture, water will leak out slower than if you have a lot of air in the bag.

This is strictly my experience only, I can't speak for everyone's opinion or experience.

6. Grab 3-4 rubber bands to tie EACH bags separately.

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7. I always use heat packs, just because it is hot in here, it's not the case inside the cabin of an airplane. It may be 60 degrees inside the cabin during transit.

Remove the heat pack from its sealed pouch and place it on a sheet of newspaper

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Wrap it with about 1-2 layers of newspaper,

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Tape the wrapped heat pack to the inside TOP LID of the styro box

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if you're shipping in the winter time, it's best to put 1-2 heat packs for a medium size box. In the summer time, one heat pack per 17" x 17" box will do just fine.

NEVER TAPE A HEAT PACK DIRECTLY INTO THE BAG !!!

8. Put the top lid of the styro box on, close the flap on each box, tape it just like the instruction # 1 above.

YOu may want to place a few labels marking "Live tropical Fish, keep warm, this side up and etc" I always use air cargo for everything but in my experience it's best to keep the box plain with UPS or fedex. All this due to human curiosity...

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9. Ship the package. Try to drop off the package 1-2 hours before the cut off time, there's no sense in leaving a fish in the box all day before being processed. The lesser time the fish spend inside the box, the better chance they will arrive alive.

Also, ALL shipping carriers will not insure a live animals. They will only insure against LOSS or DAMAGE. If you receive your shipment and the fish is dead but the box is remain perfect, they will not re-imburse your fish.

If the box is beat up and the fish is dead, they MAY reimburse you, although I never heard of anyone getting reimburse for those.

Your best bet is to just have them lose the package, then you will get 100% reimbursement.

Hope this helps,

Stan

cichlidkeeper
06-20-2011, 11:22 AM
Sticky worthy, definitely.

yim11
06-20-2011, 12:18 PM
Some fish shippers poke a hole in the top of the box above the heat pack as the heat pack won't work without oxygen so it quickly expires in a sealed box.

Also FedEx doesn't allow live fish shipments unless you are an authorized shipper (pass package testing and sign legal disclaimer).

Great info!
Thanks!!

JMatthew
06-20-2011, 12:23 PM
This rocks - another vote for sticky and just in case I'm bookmarking it!

flamenco-t
06-20-2011, 12:28 PM
Some fish shippers poke a hole in the top of the box above the heat pack as the heat pack won't work without oxygen so it quickly expires in a sealed box.

Also FedEx doesn't allow live fish shipments unless you are an authorized shipper (pass package testing and sign legal disclaimer).

Great info!
Thanks!!

Good idea on the hole poking :) All my box are what I get fish in and the top is usually poked already :)

I am not aware about Fedex not allowing live shipment, I just shipped a fish to Austin with Fedex a few months ago. I do have a fedex account, we usually spend about 50K a year in shipping. I do know I NEVER signed any legal disclaimer when it comes to shipping a live fish or went through a package testing.

I am a known shipper with Southwest..

Thresher
06-20-2011, 12:32 PM
Great write up, Stan. A+++

yim11
06-20-2011, 12:33 PM
I think it's kind of like speeding on the hiway - depends on who stops you. LOL

I shipped many fish before I was told I had to go through the red tape for their 'certification'. Most people just say it's live plants and there's no problem.

That SWA "site inspection" was a load of crap! I try to use Delta primarily but that just because they are closer and a little cheaper.

Thanks,
-jim

flamenco-t
06-20-2011, 12:42 PM
I think it's kind of like speeding on the hiway - depends on who stops you. LOL

I shipped many fish before I was told I had to go through the red tape for their 'certification'. Most people just say it's live plants and there's no problem.

That SWA "site inspection" was a load of crap! I try to use Delta primarily but that just because they are closer and a little cheaper.

Thanks,
-jim


I like SWA for reliability, I hardly ever had any delay in shipment even with all the transfer to and out of love field.

I do know AA don't require a shipper to be a known shipper for shipping live animals, does delta requires an account to ship ?

yim11
06-20-2011, 12:51 PM
Both Delta and AA do (I don't know any fish shippers that use AA for domestic shipments, very expensive), but both are just complete and submit paperwork. I think Delta said they may send someone out for an inspection but I've probably sent a dozen packages out and never had anyone come by. The guy for SWA didn't even come inside the doorway!

yim11
06-20-2011, 11:03 PM
Shippers Info:

FedEx:
http://www.fedex.com/us/service-guide/terms/express-ground/ (go to the Live Animals and Ornamental Marine Life (Including Live Fish) part)

Delta:
http://www.delta.com/business_programs_services/delta_cargo/delta_approved_shipper/index.jsp (I don't recall ever paying a fee and no one ever came out)

Southwest:
http://www.swacargo.com/swacargo/about-WhoWeServe.shtml#ancKnownShipper (I did pay and someone did come out)

American Airlines:
https://www.aacargo.com/forms/pal.jhtml

iron
06-20-2011, 11:23 PM
I noticed in the above picture with the heat pack the hose clamps and so on. Do you have any aluminum heads for a 350? Great write up Stan, Sticky - it!

brokenhalo
06-21-2011, 12:34 AM
Sticky worthy fo sho :werd:

niko
06-21-2011, 05:47 AM
Some local FedEx offices will refuse to ship a box that says "Fish". They will send you to a facility that is "equipped" to handle fish. If you ask the people that work there they will tell you they are no different than any other office. Tha may not be true because the facility is bigger and maybe there are differences in the pick-up times. The nearest such "special" facilty close to McKinney is on 75 and AveK.

Ice or Hot packs. The number depends on the temperature - 1 to 4. Shipping USPS is tricky because they can route the shipment any way they want. You can't just look at your temperature and at the temp. at the destination address. But overall it works fine. Heat packs have a red line on one side of the pack. That line muse be exposed to air.

No need to make a hole in the styrofoam box. There is enough air movement in a box sealed with tape. Some heat packs refuse to work anyway despite being non-expired.

No need to wrap the pack in newspaper. Just tape it to the top of the box. The top may become bottom or side during shipping despite all warning stamps to keep upright and all.

There are 12, 24, 36, 48 hours heat packs - that's how they all last.

Express USPS mail. Do not write "fish" on the box. Some branches get paranoid and you will think you are offering them a bomb when they start to talk to you and ask all sorts of questions. Some branches could care less.

Express USPS. It is NOT guarantueed overnight. But you pay for overnight. Could take up to 5 days to deliver. They tell you it will not be overnight if you ask, but often they'd say it will be 2 days and if fact it's longer. It all depends on the destination - small town in the middle of nowhere does not get overnight shipping.

While you argue with the USPS folk about this overnight/5 day deal they can tell you that they cannot ship live animals on a plane that already has boxes with certain chemicals. Animal abuse type of thing. So your boxes labeled "fish" will wait the next plane. And the next one if needed. And the next...

FedEx handles some of USPS shipments. So USPS can also tell you that at some point it's all in FedEx's hands and they can't tell you what is going on with the package. USPS does not track real time, mind you.

Packaging. As little water as possible. As much air as possible. Bag must be slightly deflated because up high in the sky the pressure maybe slightly lower and the bag will inflate and bust open. If you use breather bags - 1 in 50 breather bags busts open anyway.

Always double bagged. Tripple if possible. If shipping small size fish wrinkles in the bag are a problem. And corners too. Stressed fish wedge in both of them and die.

Best insulation material - newspaper. Seriously. But it's not very practical so you use styrofoam + paper.

--Nikolay

fishman76092
06-21-2011, 05:55 AM
Overall-very similar to what I do. Definitely sticky worthy.

Here are a couple of my thoughts:

I never wrap the heat packs in newspaper although I've seen it a bunch of times. I tape the edges of the heat pack to the top of the box as well. As for the oxygen- I've used 72 hour heat packs in boxes that took 3-4 days to get to their destination and they were still warm. I think the hole in the box is a bad idea as you never know where they leave the fish sitting (tarmac, etc) and you want a controlled temp in the box. There is plenty of oxygen in a standard 17 x 17 x 10 fish box to last a few days even if you tape the edges. No professional fish farmer that I've seen does it with a hole in the box- Old World, DCT, Ekkwill, Cichlid Exchange, Rehoboth, etc. If they don't do it, I wouldn't do it.

As for shipping-
AA doesnt allow fish even if you have an account.
Delta is not cheaper that SWA - Their 100# rate on their tropical fish code is about $20 more. If you are using the general freight code, you are paying too much either way. The tropical fish code is cheaper for both carriers.
FedEX- never had a problem shipping live fish and I don't have an account.
USPS Express- Use their zip code locator. They will guarantee the cost of the shipping based on the locator. No address is farther than 2 days for Express in the continental USA.

flamenco-t
06-21-2011, 05:40 PM
Overall-very similar to what I do. Definitely sticky worthy.


As for shipping-
AA doesnt allow fish even if you have an account.
Delta is not cheaper that SWA - Their 100# rate on their tropical fish code is about $20 more. If you are using the general freight code, you are paying too much either way. The tropical fish code is cheaper for both carriers.
FedEX- never had a problem shipping live fish and I don't have an account.
USPS Express- Use their zip code locator. They will guarantee the cost of the shipping based on the locator. No address is farther than 2 days for Express in the continental USA.


I've used AA before and I am not a known shipper. Just give them a completed airway bill and pay for it. This is about 2 years ago, the buyer's airport is not serviced by southwest, which is why I had to ship via AA.

I guess it depends on who's manning the counter LOL

fishman76092
06-21-2011, 06:51 PM
I've used AA before and I am not a known shipper. Just give them a completed airway bill and pay for it. This is about 2 years ago, the buyer's airport is not serviced by southwest, which is why I had to ship via AA.

I guess it depends on who's manning the counter LOL

I used to use them and I have an account. I tried last summer and they told me they are no longer accepting live fish. I've not tried since.

greeneyed
11-30-2011, 05:25 AM
Sticky worthy, definitely.

I agree.