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Homer_Simpson
01-26-2008, 02:59 PM
Hello, everyone, I am just feeling terribly helpless as I usually don't get fish that get sick the way my male betta did.

On November 7 2007, I decided to give my betta a more spacious home and set up a 5 gallon natural planted hex tank for him. Everything appeared to be going well, then about 10 days ago, I noticed that his tail and fins looked really ragged and eaten away. His color also appear faded. Of course this took me totally by surprise as I very rarely in the 9 years that I have kept fish have had any fish get this ill. From my research, I concluded that the poor guy was suffering from fin and tail rot which would progressively worsen if not treated. I first treated him with erythromycin and even after full 5 day treatment his condition did not appear to improve. He spent most of his time in hiding on the bottom of the tank and did not eat for 5 days, and did not even eat after completion of treatment. After further research http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/images/smilies/ranger.gif ,

I decided to follow up with Mardel (maracyn-Two) treatment(containing minocycline). Many people who had bettas with tail and fin rot found that maracyn-two gave them the best results. I knew that there would be a possible negative impact on the biological filter as maracyn-two targets gram postive bacteria, but what else was I to do. I don't have a cycled hospital tank, and did not want to treat him in an uncycled tank as I figured that a totally uncycled tank would stress him out even more. Well 5 days after treatment, he was still in hiding and appeared still and motionless on the bottom. There were a few times, I thought he was dead and when I tapped on the tank, he would flee like a bat from hell and go into hiding. He never surfaced. Yesterday, I changed 50% of the water and added a little bit of aquarium salt.

This evening, I shook the package containing his food vigorously near the surface to get his attention and to my surprise he noticed and surfaced in anticipation for food, so I fed him and he ate. He is for the first time swimming and spent more time on the surface. What a relief. He really looks like he has been to hell and back. His tail and fins look pretty eaten away and he looks like something a big fish ate and spit out. I am really worried. I plan to do another 50% water change in a couple of days as I heard that this was the best way to assure good water quality and speed up his recovery.

Any suggestions from those that have successfully treated bettas would fin and tail rot. I am really attached to this little guy and would hate to lose him.
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If he pulls through this, I am going to change his name from Prancer to "Hell Boy" cause he looks like he has just survived a trip to hell and back.

Some people suggested Melafix, but I was afraid of adding anything more to the tank for fear that I may end up doing more harm than good if I mix too many things. Also I read that some people had really bad experiences using Melafix to treat Bettas with fin and tail rot and were advising against using it.
Here is why it is suggested not to use Melafix on bettas.
http://www.aquaria.info/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=17002&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

lellison
01-26-2008, 03:19 PM
I believe Melafix would help him heal faster. I have used it with success before with fish with wounds, and it says for to use it for damaged fins as well. It is a natural med, so it wouldn't hurt to use it. I would go ahead with what you are doing since you have seen improvement and use Melafix. I wish I could tell you more, but that is what I would do. Someone else might have better advice for you. Keep us updated :)

bra8ndy8
01-27-2008, 08:20 PM
I x2 with lauea....and continue to do water changes. I hope he gets better! keep us posted!

lellison
01-28-2008, 01:32 PM
Way to be drunk and spell my name wrong Brandy :brandy:.

Homer, how is the betta?? I looked at the link you provided about why not to use Melafix...it is up to you whether or not u want to use it. If u think it would harm then don't. I have never heard that it isn't safe for labrynth fish, but that does not mean that it isnt true. If he is eating that is a good sign. Keep up the water changes and keep us updated. :) I hope he is okay

bra8ndy8
01-28-2008, 01:41 PM
ohhh blah...I pushed the wrong key!! e is by r! lol

Homer_Simpson
01-28-2008, 08:03 PM
Thanks for the kind words of encouragement and support Lellison and bra8ndy8 :)

The Betta appears to be on the mend and shakes his booty every time he sees me approaching the tank. I hope that he is doing this because he thinks I am going to feed him and not because he is feeling pain from the fin and tail rot.

Interesting: I was talking to my favourite local fish store staff member. She is one of the most knowledgeable people that I have ever met and much of what she shares with me is based on her own personal experience of keeping fish for many years and from what customers tell her. I always learn something new whenever I speak to her. When I told her about what happened to my Betta. She pointed to a box of $2.99 aquarium salt and said remove the Betta from the tank and place him in a fish bowl with two litres water, and 1 teaspoon of salt, keep the temperature at 28-30 degrees celcius, and she said he would mend in no time. When I told her that I had used Erythromycin and Maracyn II, she shook her head in disbelief and told me that 99% of the time(based on her own experience and experience with customers) that salt would heal even the worst cases of fin and tail rot, and antibiotics were only a last resort measure and often un-necessary. She told me that if the salt did not work, Bettafix would most likely work. She told me to stay away from Melafix even at 1/2 a dose as she said that would be too potent for the Betta. She also strongly advised feeding him only every second day until he was totally healed as she said that feeding him every day when he had not eaten for so long would wreak havoc with his digestive system and could make him sicker.

lellison
01-28-2008, 11:15 PM
she sounds wise! I have heard of several ppl using aquarium salt for different problems and it has worked well for them. I would go for that. I am glad to hear that he is getting back to his normal self. Not being lethargic is a good sign i would say. :) hope he continues to get better

cheeto_1983
02-07-2008, 12:46 AM
Aquarium Salt is a good fix all, but you must be careful with it as some fish are not tolerant to it AT ALL. I am not sure on Bettas. Good luck...I lost my Betta last year after 3 years of good times...his name was Crouton...LET THE FORCE BE WITH YOU!

lellison
02-07-2008, 08:27 AM
Crouton, that is a cute name. How is the betta Homer??

Homer_Simpson
02-11-2008, 04:27 PM
....How is the betta Homer??

Lol, I put him in a hospital tank with about 2 1/2 teaspoons salt. He does not appear to be improving and has grown much worse. I am considering a mercy killing at this point as I cannot see him recovering. And when it rains, it pours. I bought 5 ghost shrimp to repopulate the 5 gallon Natural Planted Tank. 3 were from one shop, 2 from the other. The 3 from the one shop all croaked and died within 2 days, the 2 from the other shop are still alive. I am hoping that it was just bad shrimp as ammonia and nitrites tested zero before, during, and after the addition of the shrimp and their deaths. Otherwise, that stupid tank is just cursed. I may have to tear it down and start over if things keep mysteriously dieing in there. Thanks for asking lellison :)

bra8ndy8
02-11-2008, 05:02 PM
Awwww well give him time to heal! He's still holding on through it all I can't see killing him if he's still holding on!

lellison
02-11-2008, 10:09 PM
oh no, I am very sorry to hear that he is not doing well. I sure was hoping he would pull through it well. Sounds like you have done everything right though

Homer_Simpson
02-12-2008, 10:54 PM
Awwww well give him time to heal! He's still holding on through it all I can't see killing him if he's still holding on!

Lol, I am, but he looks really bad. He is totally pale and morbid looking. Ever see that movie..."Night of the Living Dead" and those pale horrific looking human zombies. He would be like the Betta equivalent of one of those zombies.....so pale....and lifeless looking.

oh no, I am very sorry to hear that he is not doing well. I sure was hoping he would pull through it well. Sounds like you have done everything right though

Thanks. Yeah, I was surprised that he took a turn for the worse. I don't think his digestive system was up to speed because he ate for a few days then got sicker. He probably has a secondary digestive bacterial infection and he hasn't eaten for days and appears to be wasting. I should have got him in the hospital tank sooner and probably fed him only live food or crushed peas until he improved.

I also believe that keeping the betta in a Natural Planted tank was likely a big mistake to begin with. I know some people have had some success with Natural Planted tanks, but I believe water quality issues may result in tanks where soil is used as a substrate and water changes are not done for months on in. I mean look at soil generally - if you leave it moist for too long, it tends to rot really quickly and gets all moldy and ends up with fungus. So you can imagine what could happen soil is used as substrate and remains submerged all the time. For people who have success with these types of tanks, I think it boils down to the fact that they may have really hardy fish to begin with rather than the tank itself. I am tempted to tear the tank down and start a better aquascaped low light tank with proper sand(fluorite black sand, or pool filter sand over laterite and root tabs) as I want to keep peppered cory and pada cory cafish and shrimp which like to naturally burrow

Misty
02-13-2008, 04:27 PM
Do you still have him?

David bought some Fungus Cure by API for two Mexican Mollies that are having a rough time...well, one of them is. Anyway, this Fungus Cure (actual name) claims to work on Fin and Tail Rot.
I'm using it for fungus on one of the guys and just in a days time, I've seen a big difference.
I like API products, always have but I didn't even know they sold this...he found it at Petsmart.

rolloffhill
02-13-2008, 05:41 PM
Do you still have him?

David bought some Fungus Cure by API for two Mexican Mollies that are having a rough time...well, one of them is. Anyway, this Fungus Cure (actual name) claims to work on Fin and Tail Rot.
I'm using it for fungus on one of the guys and just in a days time, I've seen a big difference.
I like API products, always have but I didn't even know they sold this...he found it at Petsmart.


So its helping regrow the fins?

I have a Clown Loach that got beat up pretty bad. He has been dubbed wobbly since he really has no fins or tails and just kinda wobbles on the bottom. He is getting better health wise but is still kinda rough looking.

fatfutures
02-13-2008, 05:55 PM
What are the active ingredients of Fungus Cure?

gabba-hey
03-19-2008, 01:29 PM
I wish I would have found this site last summer - we had two different bettas in two separate tanks, who both got sick within a few weeks of each other, and both died within a few weeks of each other as well. I tried the Maracyn 2, which seemed to work on the first guy, who I put into a hospital tank. He held on for a few weeks, seemed to improve, but was quite lethargic the entire time. Shortly before he passed, I got a 7 gallon cube, to use as a makeshift hospital tank for the other sick guy, but he passed not long after the first guy passed.

I used Maracyn 2 on both of them, their collective symptoms were quite the same (fins were rotting, both became discolored). The only thing I can think of why they both got sick was their proximity in that house (we've moved since then), perhaps from allergens and dirty AC ducts? There was no reason I could think of that two bettas in two separate tanks, in separate parts of the house would pass so quickly.

We still have several of the "friends" who were in with those bettas, some Tetras, and a couple of guppies, they're doing quite well, never missed a beat.

wcnida
09-27-2008, 12:27 PM
The best cure for fin rot in bettas is Fish Mox (amoxicillin) and the best perventitive is daily water changes.

Wally