heaters in a sump... [Archive]

Jim2982

11-24-2007, 06:38 PM

In a wet/dry setup where the heater is in the sump, do I still need multiple heaters? Say I have a 180g aquarium, do I need 4 heaters rated at 50g each? Or would I only actually need to heat the amount of water in the sump?

ElijahTurtle

11-24-2007, 07:02 PM

I would imagine you would still need the proper amount to heat for the whole tank, otherwise your heater would never shut off resulting in a heater failure eventually.

rolloffhill

11-24-2007, 07:38 PM

I have a 250w jager set on high and recently put in another 150w to help keep the temp up on my 215g

I am not convinced that the jager heater is working properly.

Jim2982

11-24-2007, 08:58 PM

Well I have 3 200w visitherm stealth heaters rated at 55g each. I just bought a 180g aquarium and was wondering if that would be enough to heat it, or should I add one more, or was that TOO much? It has a built-in background so I can't stick the heaters to the back wall of the aquarium so they're going in the sump.

glostik

11-25-2007, 12:36 AM

AndrewH

11-25-2007, 12:40 AM

Actually one of the benefits of the sump is to give a place to mount the tank equipment (heaters in your case) outside the tank for a cleaner appearance.

You'll need enough heating for the entire setup, not just the tank. Meaning you'll need to heat the tank volume plus the extra water in the sump. If you have a 180 gallon aquarium and a 20 gallon sump, you have 200 gallons of water to heat.

There are more efficant ways to heat a tank than the stick on the back type. Supposedly the inline heaters do a better job because the water being heated isn't staying in one spot.

I just bought a 300 watt heater for my 90, so for 180-200 gallons I would imagine you'll need at least 600 watts. I think the general rule is 3 - 5 watts per gallon. Also, most will recommend you have more than one heater for tanks larger than 55 gallons incase one heater fails. So instead fo buying 1 - 600 watter, you'd need 2 - 300 watt heaters.

AndrewH

11-25-2007, 12:44 AM

You only need enough heater for the size of the sump.

If you put too much heat in the sump it will cause the water to get too hot and you will be pumping hot water into the tank, which will shock your fish.

-L

True, but there's a lot of other things to take into consideration if you plan to go this rough.

You have to have great circulation in the tank and the sump is generally much warmer than the tank because of the volume difference.

It takes some fine tuning, but it can be done.

Jim2982

11-25-2007, 11:39 AM

I looked up in-line heaters and the biggest one I can find is 300w. It's the Hydor ETH In-Line Heater. If I went that route should I have two of them mounted back to back?

biggin

11-25-2007, 12:00 PM

I am getting ready to setup my 180g and I think I am going to TRY 1 300w in line. If not I will add a heater to the sump.

I looked up in-line heaters and the biggest one I can find is 300w. It's the Hydor ETH In-Line Heater. If I went that route should I have two of them mounted back to back?

Jim2982

11-25-2007, 12:16 PM

Oh yeah, that's a better idea. One in-line and if it's not enough, stick my existing heaters in the sump to compensate.

biggin

11-25-2007, 12:20 PM

I figure it is a safe bet.

My inline I have now works great I have to try really hard to make a big difference in the temp. I am very happy with it.

kewlkatdady

11-25-2007, 01:07 PM

I would say that (3) 200W stealths would be enough...

I have (2) 200W in my 125 and it stays at 81...

rolloffhill

11-25-2007, 03:23 PM

AndrewH

11-26-2007, 03:45 PM

I looked up in-line heaters and the biggest one I can find is 300w. It's the Hydor ETH In-Line Heater. If I went that route should I have two of them mounted back to back?

I am getting ready to setup my 180g and I think I am going to TRY 1 300w in line. If not I will add a heater to the sump.

Well, one thing I've heard on larger tanks is that it's better to have a couple smaller items than 1 large item.

I.E. pump... to turn over the volume of a 180 gallon 4-5 times per hour at about 6' head, you're looking at a massive, expensive pump. And if that pump ever dies, you're looking at 0 filtration until you replace it (or fix it).

The theory I've always heard would say: buy two smaller pumps that together can turn over the tank's volume 4-5 times per hour. Each pump will be cheaper than one large pump (but a little more expensive totals combined), however if one goes out you have some leeway with the second pump running.

Same with the heaters, put one slightly smaller inline heater off each pump, and if one goes out you still have a backup until you can fix or replace the broken unit.

AndrewH

11-26-2007, 03:51 PM

Also, there are larger heaters than 300w, but they're stand alone units that get up into the $200-$300 range all the way up to $5000+ (think pond, stock tank, baptism, and pool heaters).

biggin

11-26-2007, 06:30 PM

I have a Mag 18 on the way... At 6' it should turn over 1200g... so 6 times an hour.... I have been looking for a backup. I should have pulled the trigger on one from ebay for a backup.

Smaller units are good and I will probably end up with a couple heaters but I am curious how the inlines will do. On my 55g I can do a 50% water change and drop cold water from outside in and see a 3 degrees drop. And be back at 80-81 in about 20 mins. They work great.

AndrewH

11-26-2007, 07:22 PM

I'm thinking the inlines are the way to go. Get a couple 200 watters and a couple smaller pumps and I bet you'll be fine.

Mag 18, :eek: now that's a hoss. I was thinking along the lines of a couple Mag 9.5 then have inline heaters on both of the returns.

On eBay the Mag 18 is going for $120 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Pondmaster-Pond-Mag-18-Pond-Pump-1800-gph-Danner_W0QQitemZ260186637605QQihZ016QQcategoryZ103 440QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) and the Mag 9.5 for about $75 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Supreme-Mag-Drive-9-5-GPH-Pump_W0QQitemZ140182130867QQihZ004QQcategoryZ46312 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

biggin

11-26-2007, 07:25 PM

Got mine for $80 with shipping.

I'm thinking the inlines are the way to go. Get a couple 200 watters and a couple smaller pumps and I bet you'll be fine.

Mag 18, :eek: now that's a hoss. I was thinking along the lines of a couple Mag 9.5 then have inline heaters on both of the returns.

On eBay the Mag 18 is going for $120 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Pondmaster-Pond-Mag-18-Pond-Pump-1800-gph-Danner_W0QQitemZ260186637605QQihZ016QQcategoryZ103 440QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) and the Mag 9.5 for about $75 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Supreme-Mag-Drive-9-5-GPH-Pump_W0QQitemZ140182130867QQihZ004QQcategoryZ46312 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

AndrewH

11-26-2007, 07:27 PM

Heck, even the Mag 7 @ $60 each (http://cgi.ebay.com/Supreme-Danner-Mag-drive-7-Pump-Aquarium-700-gph-NEW_W0QQitemZ260185531396QQihZ016QQcategoryZ46312Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) would put you at the 4 times per hour mark.

AndrewH

11-26-2007, 07:28 PM

Got mine for $80 with shipping.

Now that's a good deal!!!

biggin

11-26-2007, 07:30 PM

It will have to go 6' so a Mag 12 is the smallest option to keep me at the 4x mark.

Heck, even the Mag 7 @ $60 each (http://cgi.ebay.com/Supreme-Danner-Mag-drive-7-Pump-Aquarium-700-gph-NEW_W0QQitemZ260185531396QQihZ016QQcategoryZ46312Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) would put you at the 4 times per hour mark.

AndrewH

11-26-2007, 07:32 PM

(I meant if you bought two of the smaller ones :D)

Two Mag 7s at 6' would be 800 gph or about 4 times per hour on 200 gallons.

biggin

11-26-2007, 07:45 PM

Ah...yeah... that would have worked....

It will have to go 6' so a Mag 12 is the smallest option to keep me at the 4x mark.

ElijahTurtle

11-26-2007, 10:31 PM

Awww there were a couple of mag pumps on DFWMAS going cheap. I think there was a Mag9.5 going for $50
& an older Mag 18 going for $90
http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=39429

bgbdwlf2500

11-27-2007, 05:43 PM

as far heaters go, youre better off getting 2 (or more) that add up to the required wattage needed for the tank. Reason? the heater will never fail in the OFF position. it will stick ON and when it does it will continually heat until your fish die. with 2 heaters half the wattage, if one sticks ON, its not enough heat to over heat the tank. theres a chance they both will stick on but not very likely. i almost lost all 8 of my discus because of a stuck heater. i could tell something was wrong but couldnt figure it out. finally noticed the heater never turned off, looked at the tank temp and it was up to 96.....glad i wasnt at work and so were they:)

on and as far as a heater in the sump, thats where its supposed to go....temp will be the same there as it is in the tank.

Jim2982

11-27-2007, 08:42 PM

If I use two smaller pumps, like 2 Mag 7's, how does the plumbing work? There's a single overflow with two holes drilled. If one hole goes from the tank to the sump, and one hole is the return from the sump, do you tie in both pumps to one line?

rolloffhill

11-27-2007, 09:11 PM

I run one mag 9.5 on my 215 and could actually run 2 seperate pumps since it is RR. I really don't anticipate that pump going bad as I bought it new, and Danner (supreme) mag drive pumps are very reliable. I think personally before I had an extra pump just sitting around that I would at least have a backup impeller as it is the only moving part on that pump.

I have enough HOB filters that I could get something on there until I made a trip to buy a new pump if needed.

Not saying that Andrew is wrong, that is just my take...;)

Wampcat

11-28-2007, 09:30 AM

For my 225g I run one Rena 300W in my SUMP, and ONLY during the winter - It works great. I utilize two Mag's (I have used everything from two 18's, to my current - one 9.5 and one 7) and they are pretty good heat generators. During then summer I would have to run a chiller to keep my temps below 80, but this is good for my Africans.

Hot water in the SUMP is not an issue if you have adequate water movement.

AndrewH

11-28-2007, 11:15 AM

AndrewH

11-28-2007, 11:17 AM

If you'll give me a few minutes, I'll refine the drawing to better suite your situation.

AndrewH

11-28-2007, 02:50 PM

Ok, here's what you need to do...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/Andrew_H/fishy/Jimsump-piping.png

Jim2982

11-29-2007, 07:41 PM

Alright, thanks for the draw-up. So tie the two pumps 1" lines into one 1.5" line to the drilled hole.

Any sump experts have a Saturday free this weekend or next and wanna trip to Denton? I'll buy lunch for some help.

biggin

11-29-2007, 07:58 PM

If you do it next weekend I would love to come up... not an expert but I am setting mine up in the next couple of weeks and would love to see someone else do it.

Alright, thanks for the draw-up. So tie the two pumps 1" lines into one 1.5" line to the drilled hole.

Any sump experts have a Saturday free this weekend or next and wanna trip to Denton? I'll buy lunch for some help.

rolloffhill

11-29-2007, 08:04 PM

If you do decide to do it, it'd be best to try and make sure you have everything you need. I am close to Denton and could help, but don't know the plans for 2 weeks out yet.

Jim2982

11-29-2007, 09:09 PM

Well I need to go get fittings to connect the hard pipe plumbing on the sump to flexible hose, and I really have no idea what else I need. I have all the parts that were used on the tank's previous setup, but I don't know if they'll work with flexible tubing. I've never used a sump before, so I really don't know what all I need, or if I have everything already. I know I need some of that blue filter padding for the water to trickle over on top of the bio-balls, and I'm sure I don't have all the plumbing hardware I need. Other than that...?

AndrewH

11-30-2007, 12:30 AM

Well, after I did that drawing I went over and talked to one of the plumbing engineers and you can just use 1" piping (or flexable tubing) for all of it. No need to use 1 1/2" (the 1" holes in the tank limit everything so that you don't gain anything by using 1 1/2" pipe - drain nor return).

Also, you'll want both holes as drains and then to bring the return over the top of the tank (basically you want to make sure you have enough drainage as you do return flow or the sump could run dry).

I have some padding you can have and some 1" pipe and fittings. If you can wait until the weekend of Dec. 8-9 I should be able to come up there and lend a hand. If you have a Home Depot/Lowes close to your house, we could get everything you already have setup as far as possible, then just make a list of all the pieces and parts we need to finish, then make one trip to get everything.

Before you buy anything else (if you've already bought stuff based off my drawing, it's not a problem we'll make it work), let me double check with the plumbing engineer tomorrow and I'll make you up another drawing or two.

rolloffhill

11-30-2007, 07:33 AM

Get together a list of everything you DO have so we can give you an pretty close idea of what you will need.

Pics are always good too...;)

biggin

11-30-2007, 07:41 AM

I just found this and thought I would share...

http://www.reefcentral.com/calc/drain.php

Jim2982

11-30-2007, 05:01 PM

Yeah I can wait until the weekend of December 8-9. And there's both a Lowe's and Home Depot just a couple miles around the Loop here from my house. Here's what I have:

The sump is a Sealife Systems Premier 200 Wet/Dry:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa171/Jim2982/Sump%20and%20180g/DSCN1183.jpg

The pump is a Quiet One 4000:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa171/Jim2982/Sump%20and%20180g/DSCN1185.jpg

Miscellaneous pvc pipe(1" and 1.5") that was simply cut apart with a hacksaw to move so I'm not sure what is still usable:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa171/Jim2982/Sump%20and%20180g/DSCN1186.jpg

Here's the tank (180g) by itself:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa171/Jim2982/Sump%20and%20180g/DSCN1184.jpg

And here's the tank with the sump in front so you can get an idea of size:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa171/Jim2982/Sump%20and%20180g/DSCN1181.jpg

I really appreciate you guys coming to help me set it up. And yeah, biggin, if you want to come watch that's fine with me. The more, the merrier. Anybody that wants to come just pm me and I'll give you some directions or my phone number or whatever. Thanks again for all your help.

rolloffhill

11-30-2007, 07:14 PM

Well I see a durso stand pipe which is good, you have alot of good re-useable stuff there. I can round up a bunch of misc. stuff left over from my sump build. You could really go hard plumbing from sump to tank. It looks like that is how it was setup before.

Can you get a pic of your overflow box? Just to get an idea of it since it's covered up by the backround.

Are your bulkheads in good shape? Meaning does the nut go on easily by hand from top to bottom? If not you should get new ones, trust me...;).

I also have bulkhead wrenches depending on which sizes you have....:)

AndrewH

11-30-2007, 10:06 PM

Yeah, it might be a good idea to just go ahead and replace the bulk head seals since everything is empty and still easy to get to.

I talked to the plumbing engineers today (sorry I havn't had time to redo the drawing yet). They told me that 1 - 1" drain isn't gonna be enough and that you'll need both overflow holes as drains (that is if you go at 800+ gph) to handle that volume. Simply reducing the flow slightly to balance out the inlet and outlet, or having the inlet run over the top of the tank would fix that problem.

Alright, I guess we can use this thread to get this "road trip" organized?

Who all is coming to Jim's pad for Sumpin' 101? What day works best for you Jim?

rolloffhill

12-01-2007, 09:35 AM

Before we turn this into Plumbing 1oh1 lets look at this, it doesn't matter what size pipe your using. The limiting factor is going to be your bulkheads. So that said what size bulkheads do you have??

Conservative estimates for bulkhead flow rates are as follows:

3/4 inch - 350 gallons per hour per bulkhead (unconfirmed).
1 inch - 600 Gallons per hour per bulkhead.
1.5 inch - 1,500 Gallons per hour per bulkhead.
*pulled from Durso's website.

rolloffhill

12-01-2007, 09:40 AM

http://www.dursostandpipes.com/Portals/0/dual_durso02.jpg

This may seem like an ideal solution but I personally don't recommend it. It can be difficult to tune both standpipes getting the right air-hole size, etc. It's hard to see when they are balanced or is one processing more flow than the other. If you are seeing a "flushing effect" which one do you troubleshoot? Secondly since they share overflow walls, there is less teeth spacing to allow water to enter in the chamber. Typically two separate chambers can handle more water flow than a single combined chamber. Obviously there are many factors involved such as desired flow rate, teeth spacing (width and height), number of teeth, size of the chamber, etc -- you may or may not run into an issue. Just be aware that issues do exist.

*again from durso

I suggest going back the way it was, no need to reinvent the wheel. This also cuts the confusion of dual pumps...:)

Jim2982

12-01-2007, 02:22 PM

I kinda agree with rolloffhill. This tank was setup for Africans before, and that's what I'm going to use it for, so why not put it back the way it was? Here's a couple pics of the overflow, anyway:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa171/Jim2982/Sump%20and%20180g/DSCN1187.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa171/Jim2982/Sump%20and%20180g/DSCN1188.jpg

And, at the risk of sounding incredibly stupid, what exactly are the bulkheads? Are they the holes drilled in the tank? Are they the fittings that go over the holes? Sorry for dumb questions...

Jim2982

12-01-2007, 02:23 PM

Oh, and next Saturday, December 8, at about 10am or so would be best. And setting it up the way it was before may not be sumping 101, but I'm sure would still be good learning material for anyone who wants to watch or help.

AndrewH

12-01-2007, 02:33 PM

rolloffhill

12-01-2007, 02:40 PM

Yup they are the black things in your pics that make the connections through the glass possible.

Jim2982

12-01-2007, 03:19 PM

OK, the nuts do go all the way down smoothly on the bulkheads, but the seals probably do need to be replaced. Is that something available at Lowe's, or do I need to go to a fish shop?

Also, this might be a topic for another thread, not sure. But, the guy at Exotic Aquatics suggested the following for transferring my fish: 1) move the fish to some buckets for the time being. 2) Mix up the gravel in my current aquarium to get all the bacteria floating around and then siphon that water to the 180. 3) Fill it up the rest of the way with tap water and dechlorinate it like normal, adding something called Turbo Start. 4) Move my HOB bio-wheel filters over and just stick them on the front of the 180. 5) Give the sump a couple hours to run with the now-dirty water from my other tank and the Turbo Start and then dump my fish in. 6) Let the HOB filters run with the sump for a couple weeks before removing them. And that's it. Is that really safe or is that just the quickest way to move the fish over? Am I taking a more significant chance than normal of losing fish if I do it that way? Should I not just cycle the new tank? Any thoughts?

kewlkatdady

12-01-2007, 05:54 PM

I would absolutely tranfer the current filtration over. You have an established bio colony so there would be no spikes if you brought the current filtration.

I would do it this way.

How many fish are in your current tank? How many are being moved? What are you doing with your current tank after the change.

kewlkatdady

12-01-2007, 05:58 PM

Oh... and Turbo Start does VERY little. I won't it useless...but it doesn't do much.

Use "bio-spira", I know of a few stores down here that have it, but not sure up your way. If you use bio spire (the correct dosage sump included), there is no spike even if you do not switch the old filters.

I've HEARD many great things about it... maybe someone that has used it will chime in.

rolloffhill

12-01-2007, 11:42 PM

Is it a reflextion or is there 3 holes in that sump? 2 on the bottom and one on the back?? :confuzeld:

Jim2982

12-02-2007, 05:35 PM

It must be a reflexion. There's only 2 holes on the bottom.

There's 30 to 35 fish in there right now that will all be moved over except the giant danios and algae eaters. I think I'm just gonna take them to the LFS unless someone wants them they can have them. And I think I'm going to try and sell my 90g bowfront after i get everything moved to the 180g.

biggin

12-02-2007, 07:18 PM

I have used Turbo Start and Fritz-Zyme #7 and have had good luck with both.

http://www.fritzpet.com/fritzzyme7_main.html

Jim2982

12-02-2007, 09:41 PM

OK, so who all is planning on coming next weekend, if anyone? And is 10am too early?

AndrewH

12-03-2007, 12:18 PM

I was planning to, but wife informed we that our youngest daughters birthday parties will be that weekend, so I'm out.

I really wanted to come too, :mad:.

On the transfer... what you're looking to do is move as much of the good bacteria to the new tanks as possible. Stirring up the gravel then siphoning that into the new tank plus putting the established HOBs will help tremendously. If you follow the advise he gave you and you shouldn't have any problems.

Being that you only have 30-35 fish with 180+ gallons of water I highly doubt you'll see any spikes (like KKD stated).

Jim2982

12-03-2007, 04:57 PM

Sorry you can't come Andrew, but your daughter needs her father on her birthday. ;) How old will she be? And should I start a new thread to see who wants to direct the plumbing lesson and whoever else wants to come?

AndrewH

12-03-2007, 04:58 PM

3 :D.

Jim2982

12-03-2007, 05:00 PM

Oh man, toddler and toddler friends...you'll definitely have your hands full! lol

AndrewH

12-03-2007, 07:14 PM

Yeah, and we're going to my favorite restaurant, Chuck E. Cheese.

Jim2982

12-03-2007, 07:43 PM

Wow, that's your favorite, too? I thought I was the only one. Ha!

AndrewH

12-04-2007, 03:37 AM

Nope you're not alone. I love the pizza (and awesome salad bar), plus the puppet entertainment is outta this world exciting.

kewlkatdady

12-04-2007, 09:42 AM

I personally used to love some CEC...

But I don't have kids...is it exceptable for a 30 year to go into CEC alone and have lunch. I'll need earplugs, I know, but I don't want to freak any of the soccer moms out.

rolloffhill

12-04-2007, 09:48 AM

Depends on what shirt your wearing....

Don't wear the priest one...roflmao

kewlkatdady

12-04-2007, 09:53 AM

thats only for Sundays...

I'd prolly be dressed in a pink toto and clown nose...

rolloffhill

12-04-2007, 09:55 AM

roflmao

bra8ndy8

12-04-2007, 09:58 AM

I had the worst experience at CEC on Saturday.....and I had to write a lovely email to corporate!! The cheese was rusted and green! I took a picture.....and I am thinking about contacting the Allen Health Dept.

kewlkatdady

12-04-2007, 09:58 AM

seriously though...
I think I may go CEC today...

rolloffhill

12-04-2007, 10:00 AM

Goto cici's at least their cardboard is tastier...

bra8ndy8

12-04-2007, 10:03 AM

I like CEC pizza.....just not their nasty food keeping! This is the 2nd time this has happened to me.....and here in Sherman I was known as the "Cheese girl"!!

kewlkatdady

12-04-2007, 10:24 AM

It aint easy being Cheesey...

Cici's may be a good option...

biggin

12-04-2007, 10:32 AM

Pizza Inn buffets are very similar to CiCis....

I have not been to CEC in 20 years.

xtc

12-04-2007, 10:41 AM

damn, that's a freakin hijack!!

I'm doin a lunch buffet at Mama's today- they have the best damn pizza on the market!!

Right next to Exotic Aquatics. :rolleyes:

biggin

12-04-2007, 10:52 AM

I didn't even notice what thread this was....

Sorry Jim.

kewlkatdady

12-04-2007, 05:02 PM

yeah sorry Jim...
(i hope I don't get sued... for hijacking)

xtc

12-04-2007, 05:43 PM

That should be your sig line.

I didn't even notice what thread this was....

Sorry (insert your name here).

biggin

12-04-2007, 05:56 PM

I did not even start this one....

bra8ndy8

12-04-2007, 05:57 PM

That should be your sig line.

I double that!!!lol

biggin

12-04-2007, 05:58 PM

You are just as bad....

And started this madness....

I double that!!!lol

xtc

12-04-2007, 06:06 PM

do I have a slander case here?

Doesn't he have to prove it or some such?:tease:

The title of the thread seems like a porn movie title.

biggin

12-04-2007, 06:13 PM

Ok she did not start this... .Jim jacked his own(wow that sounds wrong)....

Jim2982

12-04-2007, 07:06 PM

Ha, that does sound wrong, but I'm free to jack my own anytime I want, right? lol And no, there will be no law suits here. Go to the "respect for sale posts" for that shite. But, if I may get back to the original post here, is anyone still planning on the plumbing lesson this weekend?

biggin

12-04-2007, 07:56 PM

I am on the fence....

I started looking at my calendar and if I do not build my stand and get the damn thing started it will not be done until next year....

So I am thinking about working on my own....

And yes you can hijack your own thread....

Jim2982

12-04-2007, 09:07 PM

Oh man, I don't blame you at all. And I know I can jack my own anytime I want, but I wasn't talking about threads. :hehe:

biggin

12-04-2007, 09:11 PM

Watch out Skipp.... Jim is lonely....

Oh man, I don't blame you at all. And I know I can jack my own anytime I want, but I wasn't talking about threads. :hehe:

AndrewH

12-05-2007, 10:55 AM

...But, if I may get back to the original post here, is anyone still planning on the plumbing lesson this weekend?

Any of you ***hats going to help Jim out this weekend?

I'm still not sure if I can make or not Jim, I'll let you know asap.

biggin

12-05-2007, 10:59 AM

I have never done it before.... Not sure how much help I will actually be....

kewlkatdady

12-05-2007, 10:59 AM

that kinda where i'm at...

I have never done it before.... Not sure how much help I will actually be....

AndrewH

12-06-2007, 09:36 AM

Ok Jim, the best I could do is next Saturday, Dec 15, afternoon. Let me know if you want me to come out and lend a hand or not.

rolloffhill

12-07-2007, 07:44 PM

I'm up in the air right now. I have a guy coming over tomorrow to give me money, so I HAVE to be here for that...:D but I don't know when he is coming. If you need help let me know and I'll try to make a point to get to Denton. Let me know either way..

Jim2982

12-07-2007, 08:13 PM

Well tomorrow's out. But thanks for the offer, Skipp. My dad was planning on coming and trying to help me out, but he's got to work now. He said he might come to Denton on Sunday, so we'll see what happens. I might have to take Andrew up on his offer for the 15th. I'll let everyone know what happens this weekend.

rolloffhill

12-07-2007, 08:25 PM

Well I'm out the 14th and 15th.

Jim2982

12-09-2007, 09:57 PM

OK, well I think all I need now is a couple of fittings to allow the flex stuff to connect to the pvc and I'll be set. Hopefully I'll get that done after work one day this week. I'll keep this updated, and if I get her set up I'll post some pics. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions and input, and thanks to Andrew for the drawups. Hopefully I'll be able to get this done now, lol.

AndrewH

12-10-2007, 10:38 AM

You're very welcome. I'm glad to hear you got-r-dun :D.

How was the experience overall (for someone else wanting to tackle it themselves)?

Jim2982

12-10-2007, 06:33 PM

Well I'm not actually done yet. I got a few sizes mixed up and had to go back after work today to Lowe's and get some different fittings. I think I have everything I need, now, and I'm planning on getting all the plumbing put together this week and spending saturday filling the tank and moving the decorations and fish over. I'll post pics and a review and give a difficulty rating when it's 100% complete. ;)